Stage 2: Anger

By John on

Before I begin, let’s just take a moment to appreciate that photo.  It’s ok, take your time, there’s no rush.
I feel much better, don’t you?  When I announced that we would be doing one part of the Kubler-Ross five stages of grief each day this week (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance), I really looked forward to the anger day.  But now that the day is here, I don’t know whether I am past the anger stage or if the model is wrong in this case or if it’s just because I am happy to be on the trip back home to Virginia, but I don’t feel anger.  However, I can assure you that some people are angry right now.
Many of the US team’s fans are angry.  Having read Eventing Nation’s emails and comments over the past few days, it is clear that there are many sources of anger.  But perhaps the biggest frustration is the notion that our eventing team could potentially write the WEGs off as bad luck and head to London with a similar strategy.  We were, after all, unlucky.  The problem is that other teams seem to be consistently luckier right now.
I think fans are justified in wanting an explanation about what the higher-ups think went wrong and how we are going to make changes moving forward.  If we are going to brand our “Landrover US Eventing Team” and use our fame, power, and prestige to sell stuff to our fans, then I think it is especially important to answer to the public when things do not go well.  
The good news is that the riders are also angry.  One of the things that I admire most about the best in the US is that they are the most competitive people I have ever met.  Undoubtedly, this is not a coincidence.  For Phillip, Boyd, Buck, Karen, Becky, and Kim, anything less than gold is not good enough–it’s just how they are wired.   We can’t predict now which 6 riders will compete for the US in 2012, but I would predict that, for better or worse, at least three from this past weekend will go to London.  No one will work harder over the next months and years to be ready to win when the time arrives.  We just need to make sure they have the horses and support necessary.
Go eventing.

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Eventing Nation, Ridiculous Commentary
  • Utah

    I am extremely curious to know if anyone has read or heard commentary from Karen and Buck about their stops? There has been so much speculation, but I'm really curious about what they personally thought of the incidents?

  • Cheryl

    I LOVE the photos you've selected for this series - absolutely perfect and I can not imagine the time it takes to find them! The pictures alone have been great entertainment.

  • Gin

    But clearly Karen is lacking anger.

    Stop at Aachen 2006
    Stop at Beijing 2008
    Stop at Kentucky 2010

    The last three times Karen has been at a major team competition (not counting Pan Am. which is a *** not a **** anyways) she has not gotten around without a stop. I'm sure that no one is more heartbroken than Karen. Yet- that doesn't mean she should continually be put on the team when the performance is clearly not up to par.

    Maybe this is the kick in the pants we needed to get better?

    Also, Phillip's record is not much better. If you consider he had a stop in Aachen and a DQ in Beijing.

    If anything I feel anger at the injustice of the system that produced that team. On home soil we only had five horses compete?! REALLY?!? The saddest fact is that we had two finish without stops. That is something to be angry about. You can say those horses are talented all day long and blame bad luck, but that doesn't change the bad showing we had.

  • Anonymous

    I'm not quite clear on why Karen seems to be getting the brunt of the criticism. Perhaps that is just my perception, but for a horse known for being inconsistent and who was not originally meant to be on the team, Karen did a good job all weekend. Her final score was a 47, yet there seems to be this undertone that some superstar was left off the team in her favour. I would really like for someone to point to a sound horse that would likely have bested that result.

    Obviously it would have been nice if Mandiba showed up to play but the real disappointments was Buck/Reggie and, to a lesser extent, PDutton. We saw cracks in that pair in dressage and in SJ. They simply didn't rise to the occasion. Obviously PD deserved to be on the team, but I have always wondered about Reggie's inclusion. He isn't spectacular in any of the three phases, he isn't even experienced and consistent.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly - Anonymous | October 5, 2010 1:54 PM
    Karen had great performances at Rolex and Rebecca among others, and what it comes down to is that there just wasn't any other option to choose from. Will F. would have been fab, but hurt horse. Amy was just not having her usual year, it happens. Everything else was sketchy at best, not 4* reliable.
    I also wonder if the amount of events and travel our horses did pre-WEG had anything to do with it. Rebecca, Richland, AEC and then WEG. And I do think Jimmy had an excellent point, we need to go to fewer comps and make each one count and WIN it. The "go as you please" attitude at AEC's is a half-a**ed way to head into a World Championships.

  • correction

    my post above should read that Karen finished on a 57. Darn typos!

  • Gin

    Stephen Bradley would have been a fine choice, in my opinion. I would have liked Allison for an individual too. If Arthur is a "horse of the future" let's get him some damn experience!

  • lisab

    Oh boy, there's going to be a lot of posts from anonymous on this one. My pissiness comes directed at those that get paid to produce teams. If I was that bad at my job, I would have been fired long ago.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Gin. Stephen should have been on that team.

  • correction

    Gin - I don't disagree. But you know what? Leaving Arthur off the team given his performance over the last year is a legitimate choice. Its a judgment call (i.e. is it worth the risk) but I think most people would agree that there were some serious pros and cons.

    As for Stephen, I suspect there were soundness issues in play. So I'm not sure we can quite point to him as a choice that was overlooked. He was seriously considered from what I saw.

  • Elaine

    John,
    I think you hit denial in the moment Mandiba was giving his impression of a reining horse, anger yesterday and have already progressed to resignation. Perhaps it's really the 3 stages of sport's grief.

    You've nailed what's really bugging most of us-the fact that this is 100% going to happen again in 2 years.

    Regarding no other options, please. Just because TPTB keep saying there are no other options doesn't make it true. Holly Hepp and Last Monarch would have gone clean. I actually believe that regardless of the year she's had so far, Amy would have gotten Leyland around clean with a rail in stadium. Leyland is not a stopper. If you're in a gambling mood, why not roll the dice that Josh would have passed the jog.

    People keep saying that Karen wasn't supposed to be on the team so that makes it OK that Mandiba gave us all a rude gesture on Sunday but I want to know why Mandiba keeps being the horse in the position to be called on when Option A doesn't work out. It's not that he scored in the 50's. It's that he has team demoralizing moments. That's worse than a rail or a so so dressage test.

    I really hope Quintus 54 steps up in time for London because if anybody believes that KOC will be left off that team at the end of the day, they're naive.

  • Kim Bradley

    Statements like, "Holly Hepp and Last Monarch would have gone clean" are what make me angry. You know this how? Crystal ball? They might have had a very good chance to have gone clean, but no one--no one--can say for sure how they or any other horse and rider pair would have done.

    One thing I learned going to the WEG is that it is much, much harder than anything we've seen on US soil since the Atlanta games. It wasn't Rolex, not by a long shot. I like Holly Hepp and I would have been pleased to have her on the team, but if we could have picked the team by knowing ahead of time how each pair would have done we'd have a great system, wouldn't we?

  • correction

    I adore the horse, but I would venture that if you subbed Last Monarch for Mandiba, the US still comes home without a medal.

    Lets take a gander at his Rolex results:

    Dressage: 57.8
    Right off the bat, you are looking at a score that is higher than Mandiba's FINAL score. While I suspect Stewie's dressage has improved, has it improved that much? He got a 55.2 at the AECs a few weeks ago.

    He then had 11.6 time on XC. I suspect given his level of experience and the course that he would have probably had a few times penalties as well.

    So basically without even considering the possibility of any SJ related errors, we still have a score that is equal to or higher than 57 if the horse had a perfect weekend.

    Would it have been less demoralizing? quite possibly. Would it have been good experience for the horse as a way to build 2012? Sure, but he can get miles in the next 2 years at big events like Badminton and Burghley.

    The bottom line is still that the team would not have come home with a medal under your proposed scenario.

    As for Josh, I really don't think that gambling on the jog for a team horse is really that great an idea.

  • Gin

    That is why I had Arthur as an individual.

    I guess my anger can be directed at our lack of depth and the TPTB's inability to create and foster greater depth with the current system.

    Bottom Line: Mandiba did a performance that was not atypical for him. Reggie did the same.

    Why did we end up with horses on the team that have stops?

    One thing in my mind is certain: The Germans' will not be making the same mistakes come London. I'd wager a medal on that.

  • Katie

    'I also wonder if the amount of events and travel our horses did pre-WEG had anything to do with it. Rebecca, Richland, AEC and then WEG. And I do think Jimmy had an excellent point, we need to go to fewer comps and make each one count and WIN it. The "go as you please" attitude at AEC's is a half-a**ed way to head into a World Championships. '

    This is a very important point. To my eye, Mandiba and Woodburn both looked flat, maybe from over-competing? Reggie looked rank and Neville looked psychotic a lot of the time. Given better luck, I believe that Comet would have had a better Team finish than Mandiba. But it's all pure speculation now isn't it? Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

  • correction

    In fairness, speculation is part of the fun. But I agree that the issue here is from the bottom, not the actual selection. There is a need for more depth and there is a need to reevaluate the selection trial process. I agree that Mandiba looked just plain tired.

    The bottom line, for me, is that the attitude that the actual team selected wasn't the best available rubs me the wrong way. I think they are trying to pick the best team from the riders available. At that point, you can't do much about what horses are ready to go out and compete at WEG.

    Pick up a calculator and really look at the results of the horses available at the 4* level. Factor in soundness issues, and you'll quickly see that the team that went to WEG was one of the best options at the end of the day.

    And my additional two cents is that the focus should be on 2014. Obviously 2012 is still a goal, but two years is actually a fairly short time period to really nurture some of the real potential that is out there.

  • correction

    Gin - in your scenario, who are the two alternates? Arthur and who else?

    A big part of me would have loved to have seen if Arthur could have gotten the job done. He certainly has the potential.

  • SR

    On another note, and according to Kubler-Ross the Americans will be into Acceptance, Eventing Nation has its first anniversary next week. Any special planned we can look forward to?

    Thanks for all you do!

    This is an amazing site and is this 'chaffs' homepage!

  • Gin

    Correction- alternates to the team? Or individuals?

    Team- Phillip, Boyd, Stephen, and Buck. (I would have gone with Buck/Bobby because he has more experience).

    Individuals- Becky and Allison

    Alternates- Amy, Karen, Kim, and Holly

    I would maybe have had Amy on the team...And maybe Kim as an individual...

    I will say that was my team picks before WEG and I think my "team" would have gotten it done.

    Who are your picks Correction?

  • Marty

    The Dream Team theory just doesn't work. Hasn't worked with other sports in the Olympics and not working in Eventing either.
    What we need to do is take Developing Riders that has the Burning Desire to represent the U.S.A. and help them financially (thru usea and/or usef) if they train under a Dream Team Member i.e. Phillip, Buck, Boyd, Karen, Kim etc. from now till London. The biggest problem is most of the Horse Owners want to win so they place them with the Elite. But that may or will change if they know that their horse has to be ridden by a Developing Rider to make it on the USA Team.
    To keep the talent fresh a limit as to the number of times one can be on the Team should be set maybe, 2 WEG's and 2 Olympics or something similar.
    The Coach needs to choose the Final Team Members as well as assistants and be held accountable.

    Any other Ideas out there?

  • Elaine

    Past behavior is a good predictor of the future. Stewie, Leyland, etc. are not stoppers. Mandiba is a stopper. I don't believe that TPTB select teams purely based on objective likelyhood of success. It's either politics or unconscious clinging to the past. Who knows, maybe Stewie will be better off going forward for not having done WEG and maybe that's a blessing.

  • clb

    You know what pisses me off...? The talking about the What-ifs? I HATE that game..ESPECIALLY when it generates a whole bunch of egotistical down right degrading below the belt comments from people who more then likely have no business making them...AND who do it anonymously… THAT pisses me off probably more then anything else.

    What about breaking down the 'What happened' in order to properly understand how to make positive and productive changes so that the desired results are achieved the next time out...having Becky jog a clearly un-sound poor Comet…I think THAT pissed me off more then anything else that happened. I wonder if she said ‘No’ but got told she had to anyways…?

    Hawley had a quote up on her site - "Champions have to have the Skill and the Will. But the Will must be stronger then the Skill." That being said, Someone said in a previous comment section: USE THE PAN AMs AS A STEPPING STONE for those almost there riders vying for a spot on the London team. That's the best idea I have ever heard. You want to shake it up - I'm pretty sure that's your shaker – could you imagine how motivating the possibility of unseating the US Eventing Royalty would be to a hungry, determined rider (especially after this weekend) who has always been on the verge of greatness?

  • correction

    My picks (before the team was selected) were:

    Phillip and Woodburn
    Buck and Bobby
    Boyd and Neville
    Karen and Mandiba

    Individuals:
    Allison and Arthur
    Becky and Comet

    Now if Bobby wasn't an option for soundness reasons, I would have left Buck off completely and probably added Amy/Leyland. But then I don't know a lot about her soundness. Otherwise Will and Pawlow.

    I'm actually comfortable with the risk presented by Arthur. I don't think Joshua is a good bet for the team for soundness reasons, nor do I think he is competitive enough for a individual medal. I don't love the idea of including Mandiba, but I would have been comfortable enough with the XC skills of the rest to take that chance. But again, I don't think I would have included Reggie based on way he was going this year.

  • Gin

    Sorry CLB- Correction asked me about prior picks so I responded.

    I agree with everything you said though, CLB.

    Correction- I wouldn't touch Mandiba with a 10ft pole when it comes to putting him on the team.

    I think it would be great if Doug Payne, Jennie Brannigan, Hannah Burnett (sp?), Lauren Kieffer, Sinead Haplin, and anyone else going aboard for a ***/**** this fall to be on the Pan Am team.

    All our **** should go to Badminton next spring. Why not have Phillip, Amy, Karen, Boyd, Buck, Holly, and Kim all go? I would hate to see any of these seven on the Pan Am team. They DON"T need that experience.

  • correction

    I had originally asked for Gin's alternates for a reason, then forgot to address it. My point was with your individuals, had Paddy gone lame you would have had to sub in either Becky or Alison. I'm assuming Becky would have been the option, so the US would have actually ended up even further out of medal contention.

    The underlying point being that no matter how you add things up, the US needed things to go pretty perfectly to get a medal. That is not a great spot to be in when you are facing off against some of the best riders in the world.

    But I agree that the Pan Ams should be full of fresh blood. Then the established 4* pairs should cross the pond for Badminton and stay awhile.

    Unfortunately I'm not sure they can do that and keep their home businesses running. This ties into the discussion on COTH about the inherent difficulties with wanting to compete on the international stage and win as well as run a successful "profit centre" at home.

  • andrea

    CLB - YES!!!

    The PanAm needs to be utilized to the max. I really hope that Canada realizes this as well.
    Canada had a team at the WEG this year that blew us all away - but , as much as I hope this is not true, we can not rely on these same horses to be sound for 2012.
    We (the US and CAN) need more horses moving up and more young riders stepping in. The list of possible riders needs to be longer.
    I really love that Canada's team was young and so full of energy and bravo.
    Basically all of the other higher placed teams were older riders with tons of experience. They are ALL great riders but for this sport to survive and flourish we need more youth.
    The youth that will become the pin ups in the tack room a few years down the road.
    If we dont start to give more and do more for the young blood of horses and riders neither Can or the USA will have a team to scrap together in 2014 WEG and nothing in 2016 Olympics.

  • clb

    Gin - TOTALLY NOT directed at you (or anyone else making dream team picks) at all!! Just a general observation that people spend waayyy too much time focusing about the What Ifs which usually turns into insulting comments being made...
    What if Reggie didn't stop?
    What If Mandiba didn't stop?
    What if Woodburn didn't pull a rail?
    The point I am trying to make is - they DID stop, they DID pull a rail, so - deal with it and fix it. The What if game leads to a lot of the BS comments people have been leaving lately...THAT is what pisses me off...
    (Not meant to be an insult in any way!...sorry if you took it the wrong way!)

  • andrea

    correction - "But I agree that the Pan Ams should be full of fresh blood. Then the established 4* pairs should cross the pond for Badminton and stay awhile.

    Unfortunately I'm not sure they can do that and keep their home businesses running."

    Which is another reason to utilize the youth. The younger riders out there have not established themselves in a "business" the way some of our big names over hear have. I totally agree that a lot of the big names would get a bit queazy at the idea of heading to Europe for 6 or more months. Their financial loss is too huge.
    But the younger guys - it would be the best thing for them.
    The reins need to be passed on.

    This all boils down to funding though. Either our governing bodies work to establish our up and comings in working positions in big barns in Europe or we win a few lotteries and establish a few home bases "ranches" in Europe that our people can train out of. (big huge dreaming).

  • Anonymous

    Even the younger riders are increasingly shackled. Could Doug Payne pick up and leave for 6-12 months? The younger riders are trying to build up those strings that the team seems to want and it means that picking up and leaving is near impossible for them to! Its unfortunate, because that is exactly the sort of thing they should be doing!

    A small note - there is lots of talk about Canada's young team. While they may be young age wise, 3 of the 4 members have represented Canada at the Olympics and other international competitions. Kyle is a veteran, so is Hawley and Selena has a fair amount of experience too.

  • correction

    Why do I keep forgetting to i.d. myself! above comment is mine.

  • Anonymous

    because she shoudn't have been there period. The horse had a stop at AEC's. He has had tons stops. That's why.

  • Jill Henneberg

    You can all speculate as much as you would like. I find this sitatuion to be fairly close to people who would like to crucify Obama. Can we not work on a way to put the pieces of the puzzle together, as a nation...as a sport? When I make reference to Obama, I so do because I don't really care what you believe, but he is our leader, and if we don't support him, we don't support our country. So goes it for our team...it does no good to shout out slander...do you really think the riders had anything but the best of intentions? I wish I had the stickability of Buck....he is a good person, with good intentions. I don't know what else to say, other than, It is a tough spot to be in....and our "riders" did a great job. Never have I seen any kind of championship where someone got critisim for a rail and a time fault! David..kudos to you...for developing a great team...."team usa" Kudos to you for many incredible rides....thank you for that. Becky...you are amazing...don't let it get you down. FOR THE REST OF YOU...THESE ARE PEOPLE, WITH FEELINGS..WHO HAVE WORKED HARDER AND BEEN UNDER STRESS MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE...I, for one, am so proud of everyone!!!
    Jill Henneberg

  • clb

    I love how you reference 'we' as the U.S. and Canada...I spent all weekend cheering for 'us'...

  • Gin

    If there is one thing that doesn't belong in the saddle it is "feeling" (as in emotion). I don't think I have said anything out of line or said anywhere that the "team failed because they didn't work hard." That has not been the tone of these posts. Also, however much support we give the team, the weekend is over and done with and now is the time to move on and figure out the best way to improve on the team's performance...So yes, we are all armchair-quarterbacking. I'm not a selector nor a team candid. So does that mean I shouldn't have an opinion on the team I have been following and cheering on since way before the selections for WEG?

    PS- clb- no worries. I wasn't offended!

  • Dena

    I agree with the comments above that it was a reasonable choice not to put Arthur on the team - a horse who has not made it around a 4 star in 2.5 years without a stop, and who has NEVER completed a 4 start without adding substantially to his dressage score in either rails, time, or a stop. I don't see the same downside to adding Leyland, however. I don't think Josh was sound, Will withdrew, and Stewie's just not quite there yet.

    The team was the best they could have done (prior to Kim's withdrawal). The problems are both deeper (not enough horses/riders who can be counted on at the end of Sunday) and more acute (the ridiculous handling of Paddy's leg and failing to sub in Leyland at that point).

  • Kim Bradley

    Jill Henneberg,

    Thank you. You've been in their irons, which the rest of us haven't. You know what it feels like. I worry that a lot of posters not only can't imagine it, they're not willing to try.

    I'd love to see us be a success. But I'm not angry at imperfections. When I am perfect, maybe I'll have that luxury.

  • Katie

    "maybe Stewie will be better off going forward for not having done WEG and maybe that's a blessing."
    Yep. Maybe some of the problems we see today with Mandiba were caused by stuffing him on the team in Hong Kong before he was ready?

    And I believe the problem with Leyland is Amy's knee which still hasn't healed all the way. I understand she needs one more surgery to get it right. She'll be all the better for the wait.

  • Marie B..

    You know what makes me the MOST angry? Is that TPTB will stand behind the current Coach for two more years until after the London Olympics. Then they will replace him.

    Nothing will change between now and then! London will be the same sh*t, stirred a different way.

    CMP needs to be fired, or his contract bought out. His program & the current selection process doesn't work!!! Try something different!!!!!!

    I hate to think how much money is being wasted on this whole process.

  • Lizzy

    Exactly!!! I'll take it one step further... look how divided our country was after the last administration? The same division is happening all over again and again - IT'S NOT WORKING!!

    Now to Eventing: Just think about this... What if Becky had been substituted in for Kim? Guess what, we would have still ended up 4th but only 1 point in front of Germany. There is no point in crucifying the riders/coaches/selectors until we've walked a mile in their shoes.

    While I agree with John, that on paper our team looked very strong, it still doesn't distract from the point it seems that our team was put together because of "last man standing" syndrome. Looking at all the above posts there seemed to be legitimate reasons why each pair wasn't selected. I find that one of our problems is depth... or lack there of.

    Finally, how do we change things? It seems by looking at EN and COTH that there is quite an uproar. But are our postings going to change anything? Probably not. What will? Writing the PTB??? Any suggestions on how to move forward because we can't change the past.

  • Powerstreet

    Just being an American, at the moment Karen had her stop I jumped up and went to punch the TV. I felt like my NFL team that I was cheering for all season let me down.I know horses are horses but really, when was the last time Mandiba stopped or had a rail in show jumping. (prove me wrong, not really just interested) The rest of the weekend was what the USA selectors picked. In my mind and heart the jog and the show jumping day (same day) was heart breaking with the horses that they selected. The USEF High Performance will need to CHANGE or just punt for another chapter in our United States Equestrian Eventing Team for 2012. Go ??? Hard to cheer right now.

  • Monty White

    Quote: "Suggestions":

    Set your sights on who you want to beat.
    Analyse all they do.
    Replicate & Improve
    Win

    Sounds easy doesn't it, but there's a lot more to analyse than just team selections and individual performances.

  • Ziggy

    Regarding the right (or not) of people to criticize the team: Theoretically the team members are incredibly competitive people. They want to put themselves out there at least in part for the glory, and they better have some thick skins to participate in public at a high level of sport. I would guess many, many other people funded, in large or small part, their trip to this particular part of the top. They probably have to understand, unless they funded the whole enchilada 100% themselves all they way, that some of these people might be pissed that they aren't getting the results they hoped for. It's what competitive people do; they pick apart results in order to make a better outcome next time.

  • LisaB

    I think they put a ton of effort in the selection process.
    I think where it started to fail was the timing. They didn't pick a short list until the summer (correct?). Then they didn't do the team effort thing until well after Millbrook. They didn't sit down with who they chose as coaches and really train until 4 weeks ago.
    Those coaches don't have time to fix things. It takes time for a coach to see a problem and get you to fix and then get it your automatic memory block.
    It's kind of like you go to a clinic with a stranger. They don't know you, they don't know your horse. In order for the clinic to be reasonably successful, the clinician has a 'theme' of sorts. And you do walk away with a bit of something. But it's never that they can fix what's wrong. You go home and tweak it a bit from what you've learned but it's not the same.

  • Jeanne

    Did you see the follow-up on Allison's blog? Apparently Sara Ike doesn't want the story to get out that the team didn't give alternates tickets. Sara Ike's "correction" is that the alternates SHOULD HAVE KNOWN they weren't getting tickets. Talk about treating people shabbily. She and Jim Wolf should be fired for how they mismanaged the team and how badly they have treated people who gave up their lives for USET.

  • Anonymous

    What annoys me more than anything is the constant use of "TPTB". They may suck, but they're not Orwellian. Perhaps we could trend toward being less dramatic.

  • Elaine

    TPTB is shorthand for the selection committee and the movers and shakers and money makers who influence them. Would you prefer a list each time they're referenced.

  • Carol

    I feel it was a huge mistake not treating Alternates as a team member. Team's have alternates. I feel that Sara Ike needs to to clarify what the meaning of TEAM. All the Alternates of the WEG needs a apologize who did not get tickets. Huge mistake.

  • Jill Henneberg

    This is about the most rediculous comment I have ever read. If there is no emotion as a feeling while you are in the tack, I would HATE to be the horse under you. When you are dealing with a live animal, that you love, regardless of what you are doing with it, emotion is and should be involved. Look at the faces of the riders coming through the finish flags on XC..do you see emotion? same with finish of SJ...emotion there? What about when a rider pulls up on XC feeling the horse is not right...any emotion involved? Go through the h20 brilliantly and praise your horse for their effort...again..hmmmm emotion??? In my book, if you have no feelings that have to do with emotion...you have no business sitting in the saddle in the first place! Enough said!
    Jill

  • Anonymous

    I understand what it means. It's still ridiculous.

  • robert

    It is PAST time for Mark Phillips to go. Everyone at the upper levels of eventing knows his 2 favorite pastimes when he should be coaching. Unfortunately BOC is committed to Can through 2012.

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